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J Clark Idle ME	Re: Opera & javascripts	#21	[-]
Posts: 95 (12/11/02 07:01:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah, I think the last stat I read said that something like 86% of internet users use IE, so of course that's the browser to design for. It just bugs me is that the 12% or so who use Netscape will see my carefully designed page as jumbled mess, especially since of those 12%, two thirds (9% of the total) use Netscape 4.x (in case anyone's wondering, Opera makes up about 0.2%). I know Opera's not perfect, but it's more fun to use than Internet Explorer, if only because it has yet to crash on me once in several months of use, something IE did at least once a week, usually more. The reason I added the "yet" to my statement about Mozilla is that I have high hopes for it. With any luck it'll be the best browser out there when they're done with it. It's just not there yet. If anyone wants to learn about CSS the best book I've seen so far is "Cascading Style Sheets: The Difinitive Guide" by Eric Meyer (O'Reilly Books). Later. ---- "I'll have the spam, spam, spam, egg, spam, spam, spam, and spam."
Unregistered(d)	re: Mozilla and CSS	#22	[-]
Posts: 0 (02/04/03 08:37:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I came across this board while doing a Google search for the IE PNG Alpha Transparency hack (there is one and it does work) and had to respond. Apparently some people on this board either have never really tried Mozilla or they are writing bad CSS code. Mozilla has been the best CSS browser for the past couple of YEARS. The rest of the browser may have been suspect over the period but the HTML and CSS renderers are top notch. Opera 6 was better than IE in CSS but still behind Mozilla. It's only after Opera 7 which just came out that Opera (founded by one of the CREATORS or CSS) finally caught up with Mozilla. There are a million sites on the net that will tell you the exact same thing. Here is just one that shows you how IE 6 and Opera 6 can still mangle CSS that Mozilla get perfectly: www.webscribe.us/design/screens.html The point is that if your CSS is correct and according to the W3C specification then Mozilla should handle it at least just as good (and generally better) as Internet Explorer. I'm not trying to put down anybody or their web browsers, but these are just facts that any serious web developer knows. It's also smart to code sites to the standards and not to one particular web browser. You'll find that when you do that (i.e. your site validates), you have a much better chance of your site viewing well in all browsers.
webhooligan	Re: re: Mozilla and CSS	#23	[-]
Posts: 51 (02/04/03 11:19:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This is correct. The reason you may be having trouble getting your CSS to display properly in Mozilla based browsers (this includes Netscape) is because Mozilla is more strict in its web standards support. This means your code has to be better, but it ensures that it will work properly on more browsers. For anyone who has trouble getting their CSS to work in Mozilla browsers, grab one of Eric Meyer's books, he'll set you right. Mike Baldwin, www.webhooligan.com :: Be excellent to each other ::
webhooligan	Re: Internet Explorer, and PNG transparency?	#24	[-]
Posts: 51 (02/04/03 11:21:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	There is an article on A List Apart that covers this very subject. www.alistapart.com/stories/pngopacity/ Mike Baldwin, www.webhooligan.com :: Be excellent to each other ::
Nijyo	Re: Internet Explorer, and PNG transparency?	#25	[-]
Posts: 85 (05/30/03 12:57:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Even though this thread is long dead, I thought I'd point out that the only web browser I know of that properly supports PNG 8bit transparency is IE 5.x on Macintosh. I found this out once doing a project in college a few years ago and developing on the Mac. I found out that PNGs had much better transparency than transparent GIFs, so naturally I tried using them. Imagine my surprise when they worked fine on the Mac but not on anything else =( IE5.x for Mac and IE for Windows are two different coding teams. For whatever reason, the Mac IE team properly implemented the PNG file format while the Windows one did not.
Greyryder	Re: Internet Explorer, and PNG transparency?	#26	[-]
Posts: 234 (05/30/03 17:10:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Whoa, somebody steered this back towards PNGs and alpha channels. Actually, IE for Windows seems to be the only browser that doesn't support it properly. Mozilla and its derrivatives don't have a problem wit it, and I don't know that Opera does either. Microsoft is the only company that seems to be having problems supporting standards. Quantum Rip!
Unregistered(d)	Not exactly.	#27	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/05/03 19:14:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Actually, Konqueror has problems with RGBA PNGs as well. I'm not sure if it's only 8-bit RGBA or 24-bit RGBA as well, but there are problems. IE5/Mac doesn't read alpha channels on RGBA PNGs (possibly again only 8-bit) used as CSS backgrounds, also. As I recall, Safari does fine, though. Mozilla and Opera have had no problems for quite some time, mind.
Nijyo	Re: Not exactly.	#28	[-]
Posts: 85 (08/06/03 12:07:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* As I recall, Safari does fine, though. Mozilla and Opera have had no problems for quite some time, mind. Imagine my total lack of surprise - Nijyo

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